TORONTO — Taking multivitamins or other commonly consumed vitamin and mineral supplements won’t actually provide you any health benefits, but they won’t harm you either, a new study finds.
Researchers from the University of Toronto and St. Michael’s Hospital conducted a review of 179 studies on popular vitamin supplements that were published between January 2012 and October 2017. Studies covered a vast spectrum of supplements, including vitamins A, B1, B2, B3 (niacin), B6, B9 (folic acid), C, D and E; and mineral supplements β-carotene; calcium; iron; zinc; magnesium; and selenium. Multivitamins that contained a wide variety of the vitamins and minerals were also reviewed.
The research team concluded that the most commonly consumed supplements — multivitamins, vitamin D, calcium, and vitamin C — had no effect on a person’s risk of suffering a heart attack stroke, heart disease, or early death.
“We were surprised to find so few positive effects of the most common supplements that people consume,” notes Dr. David Jenkins, the study’s lead author, in a statement. “Our review found that if you want to use multivitamins, vitamin D, calcium or vitamin C, it does no harm – but there is no apparent advantage either.”
The only supplements that showed any benefit among the studies were folic acid or B-vitamins that contained B6, B12, and folic acid, which could lower one’s risk of heart disease and stroke. Folic acid alone showed a 20 percent lowered risk of stroke. Conversely, the review found that niacin and antioxidants had a “very small” effect that could potentially raise the risk of death from any cause.
The authors say it’s best to stick to a healthy diet that includes plenty of fruits and vegetables which naturally provide our bodies with vitamins and minerals.
“In the absence of significant positive data – apart from folic acid’s potential reduction in the risk of stroke and heart disease – it’s most beneficial to rely on a healthy diet to get your fill of vitamins and minerals,” says Dr. Jenkins. “So far, no research on supplements has shown us anything better than healthy servings of less processed plant foods including vegetables, fruits and nuts.”
Jenkins says it’s important that people be aware of what types of supplements they’re taking and to always consult a doctor, particularly if they have any specific deficiencies.
“These findings suggest that people should be conscious of the supplements they’re taking and ensure they’re applicable to the specific vitamin or mineral deficiencies they have been advised of by their healthcare provider,” adds Jenkins.
According to the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, in 2012, it was estimated that 52 percent of the population were taking supplements.
The full study was published in the June 5, 2018 edition of the Journal of the American College of Cardiology. It was funded by the Canada Research Chair Endorsement, Loblaw Cos. Ltd., and the Canadian Institutes for Health Research.
Do these researchers not realize that the modern diet is severely lacking in many of these essential micro-nutrients? “Study: Multivitamins, Other Common Supplements Have No Health Benefits” Then the article states: “Folic acid alone showed a 20 percent lowered risk of stroke.” The “researchers” and author of this article might want to look into nootropic supplementation to help with their brain function, as there are dozens of peer reviewed and double blind studies that show the benefits of vitamin supplementation.
I am convinced Big Pharma also lobbies or works hand in hand with food manufacturers to turn out food that is extremely harmful – full of sugar, high fructose corn syrup and GMO canoli oil, and lots of other crap in order to make people sick and permanent consumers of Big Pharma and the Rockefeller Mefical Infustrial Complex … yes, they would destroy your health on purpose to create a market for their poison pills ..
Just look how diabetes and cancer have sky rocketed in the last few decades … death by diet … Big Pharma, Monsanto and MIC all working to make you their permanent customer…. eat organic, buy supplements from a USA made, guaranteed potency manufacturer and tell big Pharma to go to hades
There Is No Money In Finding A Cure For Diabetes; It Is A Cash Cow. Nothing More.
And no money in curing cancer … so don’t ever expect a cure Not Ever – not within this matrix …, their phony “Run for the Cure” ..,, they should call it “Runaway from the Cure – fast” ..,
Correct; But It Makes The ‘Housewives’ Feel Good About Themselves.
RE: Cancer, Anyone?
There IS a cure for cancer. It was discovered at Purdue University in the late 90s. It’s from a Brazilian plant named Graviola.
It’s North American cousin, the Pawpaw, has now been found to have four times the active agent.
I saw the pawpaw KILL an aggressive squamous carcinoma—skin cancer—within a month.
You can get it at Amazon. Look for pawpaw cell reg.
Paw Paw grows along water ways, rivers, streams, brooks, ponds. Grows in a lot of states. From the Carolinas Northward, start in Sept or Oct. Pick when you can easily make a dent in the thin skin. Can eat then or wait a day or two to soften more, then tastes better. When it turns darkish mixed with orange – is real soft and very ripe. Beyond that, quickly goes to rot.
RE: Pawpaw
Yeah. It grows wild east of the Mississippi River and south of the Mason-Dixon line.
From what I understand, the active agent is found in the mature leaves and their stems.
And what is the active agent?
RE: What Is It, with This Plant
Follow the link….
Here’s more….
Enjoy….
For gods sake man, corner the market on that stuff now, if that is what you believe. Grow it in greenhouses. You could become Big Pharma. Or is the world just stacked against you, conspiracies everywhere? Oh, go ahead and have another beer.
When are diversity or mass immigration or so-called anti racism ever demanded of any non white peoples anywhere?
Open borders is the real white so-called ‘privilege’.
Is this not targeting a racial group for destruction, whole or in part?
Is this not White Geno cide?
Is this not Anti White?
That guy is a Star Wars and James Bond kid.
Just ignore his bs or block him.
For another cancer cure, research Royal Rife. He invented an optical microscope that shows microbes too small to see with today’s best optical scopes. The electron microscope only works with samples in a vacuum, which explodes specimens and prevents seeing anything alive. Rife found not only new microbes, he found some that caused cancer. He invented a radio-frequency device he could tune to the destruction frequencies of these cancer-causing bugs. Result: In one trial, he saved the lives of eight or more terminally-ill cancer patients. He was only allowed to treat those who just had DAYS to live–yet he cured them!
Of course the AMA put a stop to that; they destroyed his machines, his notes, everything, and put Rife in an insane asylum.
The only way we can ever have the healthcare we deserve is to take the profit motive out of doctors “treating” patients unsuccessfully and forever, and let them profit from “curing” patients. On the other hand, there’s too many people in the world as it is, so maybe we should just leave bad enough alone . . .
RE: Royal Rife
Sounds interesting. I suspect there are more than one way to ‘skin this cat’.
After all, the AMA stood against chiropracty and acupuncture for decades. But they were finally accepted as effective.
Then there’s homeopathy. Which I’ve found to be very effective in dealing with various illnesses and disorders. Including gout, which doctors can’t do diddly against.
I suspect than pawpaw is easier to acquire than something that seems to have been utterly and totally destroyed.
RE: Overpopulation
Ebola? Or maybe this new virus that causes massive encephalitis?
A little ‘tweak’ in the nucleotides might make them go airborne. Then watch the ‘fun’.
Take “Organic” Tart or Sour Cherry Juice for gout. Will get rid of gout fast and will not blow out your liver and kidneys. Be sure to follow the juice with copious amounts of water.
I love shell fish so I keep several qts of Tart Cherry Juice on hand at all times. Works like a dream.
RE: Dark Red Fruit Juices
Tried that. Doesn’t work as quickly as the homeopathic materia medica.
Sorry to hear that. Were you drinking straight TART cherry juice or a blend? I’ve had success with pure cranberry juice when in a pinch. What do you consider “homeopathic mm”?
RE: Dark Red Juice
I tried tart cherry and pure cranberry as well as red currant and one or two others. I suspect they are better as a preventative than a curative.
RE: Homeopathic Materia Medica for Gout
Yesterday, over at Instapundit, there’s a thread on homeopathy. I’ve discussed it over there, but I’ll share it here as well……
There are 47 known materia medica for gout. You have to identify secondary—often seemingly unrelated—symptoms, e.g., white coated tongue, chills, etc.
One instance, I found myself taking HOT showers. Catching the water in a plastic cup and pouring it over myself. Twigged to that symptom, got out the tome, cross-referenced gout pain in foot and chills, found three hits. Had two of the materia media on hand. Read some more and identified another symptom that was indicated in one. Took it. Fifteen minutes later the pain was gone.
But it took a few days for the swelling to subside.
Later, had another attack. But no chills this time. And that materia medica didn’t work. The next day, while brushing my teeth I noticed my tongue looked like it had been white-washed. Found the proper materia medica and again the pain was gone in 15 minutes.
Homeopathic medicine doesn’t work. Enjoy your placebo.
RE: Placebo Effect?
And as for the ‘placebo effect’…..nope. That’s not it either. Why do i say that? Because there are 47 different homeopathic materia medica for dealing with gout. You have to recognize the secondary symptoms. Symptoms that might not be obvious, e.g., severe chills or a heavily coated tongue.
In one attack, I noticed I was taking VERY hot showers. Catching the water in a cup and pouring it over myself. I cross referenced that symptom with the pain in the foot and found three materia medica that met the criteria. I had two on hand. I reviewed the other possible symptoms and eliminated one. I took the one indicated and fifteen minutes later, the pain was gone.
A few months later, I had another attack. I tried the previous materia medica, despite the fact I wasn’t experiencing chills. It didn’t work. So much for your idea it’s the placebo effect.
The next morning, I was brushing my teeth and noticed my tongue looked like it had been painted with whitewash. I cross referenced that symptom with gout and found a different materia medica. Took it and—as before—the pain was gone in fifteen minutes. So it’s not a placebo effect. It’s the materia medica, specific to the ailment.
Likewise, my six-month old child didn’t want the little sugar pills we tried to get into her mouth. But we managed to get them in. Within fifteen minutes, we had our happy little girl back. Do six-month old children suffer from the placebo effect? I don’t think so.
Now…..
….would you dare to try my little experiment? Do you have an open enough mind to look at this?
If not, it’s your loss. Not mine….
Imagine being able to stop pain and suffering for less than $10? As opposed to something doctors can’t even help you with for a trip to their office.
THIS is why the AMA and the pharmaceutical companies keep saying it homeopathy doesn’t work. They lose money when people can heal themselves.
Take a chance. Do you cook at home? Ever get burned? I do most of the cooking in my household. The distaff is a wizard with flour and ovens. Wins prizes at the state fair. But now and then I’ll have an accident.
Care to know what really works to relieve the pain and, in bad cases, reduces scar tissue?
Lol you’re an idiot. Homeopathy is a scam. Only a complete sucker would thing that diluting something until it no longer exists in water would somehow cure the opposite to what that thing causes. Acupuncture only works for some tiny subset of psychosomatic pain relief. I would ask you to try a little bit of education, but you’re clearly hopeless since you think snake oil works.
RE: Idiot? Moi?
Show all of us YOUR Mensa membership ID. Or you’re more likely the ‘idiot’ between the two of us.
As for education, I’ve degrees in Microbiology/Chemistry and Computers. That’s the civilian side. Military side, I’m a graduate of the Army’s Command and General Staff and Logistics Management Colleges.
In psychological terms, you’re ‘projecting’.
RE: Acupuncture
You think diabetes is ‘psychosomatic’? Interesting. Maybe you could take your own advice about ‘educating yourself’.
https://www.quackwatch.org/search/webglimpse.cgi?alternate=N&ARCHID_12=12&ARCHID_20=20&query=Rife&rankby=DEFAULT&errors=0&age=&maxfiles=50&maxlines=30&maxchars=10000&limit=on&cache=yes
You don’t believe that certain frequencies can cure cancer by killing the microbes that cause it? Then you probably don’t believe that the ultraviolet light frequency can kill microbes and prevent disease, either–except that it DOES. So why do you think the same thing can’t happen in another frequency range?
Your link only goes to an unsupported assertion that Rife was a quack, not to any proof. Keep in mind, it was documented–by respected medical doctors representing the AMA!–that Rife’s treatment WORKED. The California president of the AMA monitored his patients’ treatments; they were all dying of cancer before the treatment, and all were in remission after treatment. The California AMA president called the national AMA president to inform him of Rife’s discovery and to discuss implementing his equipment and procedures–then goons broke into his lab, destroyed all notes and equipment, and he was committed to an insane asylum, where two medical doctors can put anyone “to ensure the safety of the patient or others.”
The practice of medicine requires that there be sick people in order for doctors to make a living; that’s why literally EVERY DRUG Big Pharma offers only aims to provide symptomatic relief, NOT cures. If people are cured, they don’t add to doctors’ incomes. Can you name for me anything that modern medicine has cured? Medical practice has only three ways of treating cancer: cut it out, shrink it with radiation, or poison it with chemo. None of these are cures; when they work at all, it is merely a treatment, not a cure.
No, I don’t. Maybe teaching Microbiology in college for years gave me an experienced viewpoint that reading Internet websites can’t supply.
UV kills only surface pathogens because it does not penetrate deeper than the epidermis. Microwaves have wavelengths which match the H-O bond lengths of water and are not organism specific.
Every microorganism has the same DNA structure and codon variations are not RF specific.
Rife’s optical “Microscope” is physically impossible. How do I know that? I also taught physics, calculus and Diff Eq in college as well, along with general chemistry, organic chemistry, P-Chem and Anatomy&Physiology. I hold certifications in five fields.
If you could just go ahead and post all of those qualifications here for us, we will go ahead and believe what you have to say.
What you believe is immaterial, only facts count.
Not necessarily!
So what are the qualifications for the people who claim to know the research that was destroyed? How convenient that their claims rest on “please believe us” rather than actual studies or evidence.
You’re talking to someone who said that some organization destroyed this guy’s entire work, including his equipment, his notes and everything, and yet also claims to know about the equipment, notes, etc.
The person doesn’t have any type of reason or logic behind their incorrect beliefs, so you’re not going to be able to reason them out of those beliefs. They’re hopelessly lost.
Hold Them Between Your Knees; Your ‘Talent For Surrender’ Is Immaterial, ‘Prof’.
What are the classifications of the supposed microbes that cause cancer? Can you show us? Can you indicate it? Can you detail how they reproduce or anything related to them at all? No?
It’s pretty sad there are people who are either as ignorant as you are or intellectually dishonest, but even worse that you’re spreading this filth around as fact.
Modern medicine also has immune therapy that has shown to cure various cancers by the way. So much for your conspiracy theories.
There aren’t to many people in the world! A problem is the banks own all the land and here in the USA the Feds and the States have locked up a lot of useful land.
I did some foreclosure work for a few weeks and it was one downer of a job. The places I’m talking about were way out in nowhere yet the gfkng banks forced those people off their property. I’d have to post notices on these homes and I’d talk to some displaced people and really feel for them. I completed my agreement with the heartless foreclosure people and crap on them for what they do to people.
Don’t give that crap that “If they can’t pay they shouldn’t play, screw you!” Hateful World we live in.
When Jesus comes back he’s going to cancel a lot of bankers.
The problem lies with you and the people who really believe that Jesus is coming back, a bunch of superstitious folks that the banks and the elites love. Oh sure, Jesus is gonna come back and save us all from the banks. LOL.
Thanks for being so helpful and positive, Anthony.
You forgot to contribute to the conversation.
Do you have anything constructive to offer?
Anything at all?
That was very constructive, but his comment has no likes and yours 3 because you are part of the problem which is the weak people that need a crutch because they cant handle the thought of returning to dust.
1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.
2 Shake thyself from the dust; arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem: loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, O captive daughter of Zion.
Stop quoting a mind control propaganda piece. Its 2018, organized religion has been exposed for those whose eyes are open.
Nobody has said anything constructive here to begin with. It’s all bunch of nonsensical, conspiracy theory idiocy floating around.
Jesus is a lie. Religion is a lie. It gave people good morals but outside of thst you have to save yourself people.
OK! Go save yourself. The problem you will encounter is that Jesus did not come to heal and save those who can do it on there own. He came for me and my kin…who do sin…and know it, and admit it. Amen
Define sin and you will define a system of control set up thousands of years ago.
Jesus is not coming. Save yourself please, giving it to god is what got us all in trouble. Prayer changes nothing but your belief you are helping. We all die alone, in your last moments will you be proud if you were lied to and did nothing about it but made the world a worse place for others because of your inaction?
You a banker? haha
These words are for us and no other and not the old city of Jerusalem:
1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean. (figure that)
2 Shake thyself from the dust; arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem: loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, O captive daughter of Zion.” Isaiah 52
Lol they destroyed everything but somehow you know all this? What a bunch of rubbish and nonsense. I have some amazing snake oil I’d like to sell you…
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2890309/
“However, the lack of rigorously controlled clinical trials has cast a
shadow on the observation that the administration of pawpaw capsules
rich in acetogenins decreased tumor size, reduced tumor blood flow,
suppressed metastasis, and improved survival in cancer patients.”
RE: Rigorous
Yeah. The drug companies and oncologists are REALLY excited about proving it works and then giving up their lucrative practice and chemicals in order to….
….Open a tea shop.
In the meantime, I’m telling people about how I saw it KILL a cancer in 30 days. And not just skin.
A few days after the tumor fell off, an infected lymph node popped out from underneath it. [NOTE: Recognizing it has something to do with my pre-med microbiology degree.]
You do realize that these drug companies could isolate the compounds inside, patent a method of synthesis and then sell those as drugs… because tea is a concoction of drugs, right?
And you know what? You’re going to be the cause of any deaths from fools who believe your lies. You’re worse than anything big Pharma could ever do because you’re pushing snake oil.
Have you researched what he stated or is that your worthless OPINION?
Natural substances that have been synthesized have side-effects and do not have the healing ability on the unaltered substances.
BLOCKED for being part of the PROBLEM.
RE: Heh
Yes. They could. But they’ve failed for the last 20 years, since the efficacy of the naturally occurring substance was discovered by researchers at Purdue University in the late 90s.
So what gives? Are they more interested in money than in human suffering and life? Three guesses….first two don’t count.
And as for my ‘lies’. Seeing it work, first hand, and reporting it is not lying.
RE: Indicators, Anyone?
It’s been over 20 years since researchers at Purdue University discovered that the active agent in graviola/pawpaw killed cancer cells in vitro while leaving health cells alone.
They’ve had LOTS of time to prove or disprove its efficacy. And they haven’t even tried?
Three guesses….first two don’t count.
In the Army, we’d call that sort of behavior something of an ‘indicator’.
Thank you!
Lol what a scam. You’re completely full of crap.
Cancer has a huge money inflow! But, not a lot of conventional progress. There are foods which focus the body to strengthen autoimmune system to specifically push remove cancel cells. Chemo is for that, but, makes a person sick, weak but beings cell growth to a stall. No need to stall. Find the foods that some Drs use for 90% cures. Some do it to cure without charging just to help people in that desperate situation. Sour Honey from Brazil is one. There are others. US govt will tend to shut down these Drs. They have to work in other countries.
Any aspect of our society that grows an infrastructure so big that our society is dependent upon it, is impossible to destroy. The healthcare industry is one such aspect; too many TRILLIONS of dollars are dependent on keeping healthcare exactly as it is, and no cancer cures will be approved by that same healthcare industry.
Cancer cures are already getting approved, so are you going to admit you’re full of it or are you going to keep your tinfoil hat on?
You don’t need to leave home to kill cancer.
Mega green tea prevents new blood supply to cancers.
Selenium reverses and prevents autoimmune problems and modulates response of p53 to instruct the cell to repair itself or commit apoptosis.
Iodine kills ALL single cell organisms very quickly.
Viruses, bacteria, molds and fungus are ALL single cell organisms.
Yes you do need to leave home, because you’re spouting lies and nonsense. But you can stay home and day as long as you don’t convince anyone else to do so too. If anyone listens to your advice, you’re at fault for their death.
There are foods that do not need special processing which are being used for 90% cured patients. US govt tries to shut them down. Would dampen the profits of chemo and radiation.
They get shut down because they’re pushing snake oil and not actually curing anyone. If there was a common food product that would prevent cancer, everyone would know. The problem is, there isn’t. The most promising thing we have for cancer going forward is targeted immune therapies being actively worked on. They, unlike this nonsense you’re pushing, have actual studies and evidence backing up their claims.
A licensed doctor promoting one or more substances from ordinary food is not snake oil when the total cure rate on patients is 90% or more.
Steve Jobs died of cancer. But there is a cure? Guess he couldn’t access it, because there’s “no money in curing cancer.” They must be saving it for someone that can REALLY pay! Diabetes skyrockets because everyone has plenty to eat, and boy do they eat. People are obese and “gots the sugars” for the simple fact that even the poorest of the poor have PLENTY to eat in this country! Our bodies are still programed to eat as much as you can when food is plentiful – from our genes, back to prehistoric days. Cancer “skyrockets” because we now can identify cancer as the culprit, through diagnostic measures – they are just not characterized as “natural causes” deaths anymore. Is everyone stupid on this thread? Answer would be YES! God, I thought people were smarter until I happened on this one. Well-Being has obviously become a religion, with all the dogma and such. Fifteen years of medical training, and some guy scratching his nuts in his parents basement thinks he is a medical and nutrition expert after reading a few articles.
There a few things modern medical professionals are excellent at today. Mainly, the highly profitable operation of diagnostic machines and surgical tools, and the dispensing of chemicals in an effort to manage a patient’s illness or injury. But, a modern medical doctor, with their 15 years of medical training, is about as much an expert on natural cures and human nutrition as some guy scratching his nuts in his parent’s basement.
Human nutrition can be covered in totality in an afternoon seminar at a local hotel ballroom. a little smaller time investment than 15 years. There are no natural cures. What earlier civilization had everything figured out with these “natural cures.?” Native Americans or Amazonian, or what? Fantasy. Modern medicine is the best thing you got. If anyone here had the slightest notion of what it entails – they would marvel at the miracle, and not subject themselves to the charlatans and silly notions espoused in this thread. Elmo is correct about the oncologists and cancer treatments – can’t verify the percentage – but, yes, they do the analysis and accept the inevitability, if warranted. There are so many new and exciting things happening in modern medicine. Rubbing dirt on it isn’t an accepted method of treatment anymore. By the way, these diagnostic machines are not even profitable, certainly not “highly”. And surgical tools – don’t know what you refer to, but robotics waste the surgeons time, at this point. I would rather spend 23 minutes in surgery, than 6 hours with a damn robot tool. Same procedure. Yes, there is dispensing of drugs, to keep people alive and from further damage to their health. If you have high blood pressure – you might lose weight and be able to control it without the use of drugs. Takes time to lose weight, and most people never do. Do you allow it to be uncontrolled, because you hate Big Pharma. Sometimes weight is not the issue. But to not control BP is very dangerous, often fatal. What would you propose? Some natural cure? What would that be, as your patient has a stroke? Should have eaten some tree bark, I suppose! Now he needs 24/7 care. Too bad, didn’t take his vitamins. No, medicine doesn’t involve itself in the value judgements people in this thread are making. We just patch them up as we get them. I don’t think the Well-Being religion is quite as caring.
Like binks007 ????
Said the snake oil salesman.
Natural cures are just chemicals. If you want to be ignorant on basic science, sure, but please don’t spread your nonsense to others, since you could be responsible for someone’s death if they follow the terrible advice that’s being thrown around in this article.
WARNING: Nerdelbaum Frink is a persistent TROLL.
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They do NOT teach nutrition in Med School, nor do they encourage their students to find out anything. If you knew how many chemicals go into food to make it look better, grow faster, whatever, and that cause diseases, you would grow your own garden rather than risk your life and health on poisonous “food” that doesn’t give half the nutrition it did just 60 years ago.
Food is nothing but chemicals. Everything around you is made out of chemicals. Grow your own food? It’s all chemicals. It’s impossible to have food that *isn’t* chemicals.
We are all told by advertisements to “consult with your physician for nutrition advise before xzy”, but, most doctors refuse to talk about nutrition.
Are you claiming to have 15 years of medical training, then?
Show us the credentials and you might have some credibility.
Otherwise you are only trolling.
Block it for sanity’s sake!
Sanity would be blocking the people selling snake oil like you.
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Sorry got a Perineal Rectosigmoidectomy. One asshole at a time.
As opposed to the random people claiming they’ve cured cancer 3 times along with everything else under the sun in this thread? How come you’re not asking for their credentials or questioning the people who seem to just believe them?
Do your own searching. Most of the doctors who are very successful do present both their creds and the nutcase US fed govt raid on their offices to shut them down.
This thread is full of people selling snake oil and suckers believing them.
You’re free to believe in the FrinkleFairy. We chose to believe what works.
A 1994 survey of oncologists found that more than 80% of them said they would not take the treatments they recommend to their patients if diagnosed with cancer.
I have gotten rid of three stage 4 cancers, esophageal, NSCL cancer, and liver cancers within 6 months, with Lugol’s 2% iodine/iodide solution, selenium, vitamin D3 (to above 75 ng./mL serum level), changing diet to exclude sugar and simple carbohydrates etc.
Simple, cheap, and science support all of it in PubMed research.
If you have to leave your home to kill cancer, you just aren’t using science.
Oh, yeah. I am a retired Porsche/Audi mechanic with no formal medical training.
I work with doctors now and show them the research.
So far, I have gotten rid of hep-C, fibromyalgia, hypothyroidism, prostate cancer (plus the military the other cancers above) with the same nutrients we take everyday.
Over 300 diseases from untreated hypothyroidism from iodine deficiency.
Lab panel for TSH, T3, T4, do not show hypothyroidism from iodine dficiency.
Research what I generously GAVE YOU, and fix yourselves!
Mechanics don’t “treat” anything. We only get paid it we FIX it the FIRST TIME and it doesn’t come back. Too bad doctor don’t get paid the same way ????
How much iodine do you take, may I ask? And what brand? (Sorry…Lugol’s, right?
I would be interested in knowing too from Searchin4Truth since he had such success. I take 50 mg several days per week. 100 mg/day on some days. Then “salt loading” when I have sore hips. Salt apparently helps flush out bromides and other toxins that the Lugols Iodine forces out. Lugols must be taken with some additional supplements like he mentions.
Lugol’s 2% from Amazon or Ebay.
Right now, I am using 75 mg. (30 drops) in 8 ounces of water.
For getting rid of cancer, from 12.5 mg. to 300 mg./day in 8-12 ounces of water.
Always taken first thing in the morning.
Always take selenium 200-400mcg./day. Not more than 400mcg. TOTAL from all sources.
Take vitamin K2 mk 7 (100mcg. or more a day) so you can safely keep your serum 25hydroxyvitamin D above 80 ng/mL without risk of hypercalcemia.
There you go!
For getting rid of cancer, stop listening to people lying in comments on the internet pushing snake oil.
J. Crow’s Lugol’s at Amazon,Ebay or elsewhere.
How do you know he had any success at all? Anyone can write a post online and claim whatever they want. If your metric of evidence is “someone wrote a comment on the internet, so it must be true” you’re going to die an early death.
LOTS of people have written reviews on this subject.
Lugol’s 2% from Amazon or Ebay.
Right now, I am using 75 mg. (30 drops) in 8 ounces of water.
For getting rid of cancer, from 12.5 mg. to 300 mg./day in 8-12 ounces of water.
Always taken first thing in the morning.
Always take selenium 200-400mcg./day. Not more than 400mcg. TOTAL from all sources.
Take vitamin K2 mk 7 (100mcg. or more a day) so you can safely keep your serum 25hydroxyvitamin D above 80 ng/mL without risk of hypercalcemia.
J. Crow’s Lugol’s at Amazon
Please don’t listen to snake oil salesmen. They’re not going to be affected by you dying by following their poor advice.
Yes people, please don’t look to the retired Porsche mechanic for your medical needs. I know he thinks he is very close to a doctor, having repaired expensive machinery, but he is not.
You’re too late; I’ve been taking vits and supplements for over 50 years. Iodine, too. Just wondering what he took.
Too late; I’ve been taking vits and supplements for over 50 years. Iodine, too. Just wondering what he took.
Lol nothing but tryhard lies.
That’s ridiculous. There have been tremendous strides in treating numerous cancers.
Every pharmaceutical has side-effects that cause the very problems they treat!
Cancer is caused by DEFICIENCIES of natural substances our bodies need for good health.
North America, according to WHO is deficient in magnesium, vitamin D, and IODINE.
Get rid of the deficiencies and be well!
Cancer isn’t caused by deficiencies at all. That’s about as idiotic as a statement you could possibly make and just shows you’re completely ignorant as to the topic you’re pretending to be able to fix.
Except for the fact that we’re finding cures for things, sure? You people need to fix your tinfoil hats, because they’re faulty.
There is a cure for diabetes. Search for Dr. Jason Fung of Toronto for details.
There are diets for those with diabetes that will diminish a given level of it. Not very popular with medical industry. But, changing what is eaten to foods the promote the body managing sugar inside the body do help. Got to hook up with authors who have help diabetics not be in that category. Not everybody can eliminate D, but, many can or can lessen its control of your life.
Actually, diet based approaches to controlling diabetes is the number 1 thing recommended in the medical industry.
Iodine reverses diabetes.
Type that sentence into a search and you will find out why from Jeffery Dach MD.
Actually there is a cure for diabetes. It’s called losing weight and getting in shape, and your diabetes will pretty much be gone.
Same as in finding a cure for cancer–have to keep the money flowing for “research,” yet how many years have they been doing so, in order to pump the radiation and chemotherapy–they might check out the fact that” disease begins in the colon”–
You might want to actually look at modern cancer research because you sound like a complete ignorant idiot who has no idea what they’re talking about.
The only way to cure type 2 diabetes or reduce dependency on some drugs is through a strict diet low in white carbs, grease and refined sugars. A paleo diet high in leafy greens can really help those sufferers.
The harmful stuff is tied strongly and as a priority of food profits, to taste. Hard to sell any large quantity of any food when it doesn’t take good. Notice the slim pickings, low quantities of food with low or no (salt, sugar, fake sweetener). Because the general population refuses to buy them in large quantities, stores don’t stock them in large quantities either. What customers want and buy is what gets stocked. That’s a law of inventory management. The customers’ choices are what is the primary factor in an overload of bad things.
Jackpot!
You are totally correct!
Big Pharma owns most of the big cereal manufactures, but with so many shadow corporations it would be difficult to trace.
Lololol evidence or are you just talking out of your ass again? You don’t really have to answer. We know you’re talking out of your ass.
I had to deliver something to a warehouse full of food additives and such, looked like chemicals to me. The stuff made it difficult to breathe inside the warehouse. Just saying.
I wonder if the bread makers ever got to the point where the government really allowed them to add saw dust into our bread. Tasty bread is not easy to find right off the shelf.
Everything is made out of chemicals. Water is a chemical ffs.
Do you have any other “Conspiracy Theories?”
Do you have any other sand pits you stick your head in?
Which is funny, because the ones who are pretending snake oil will cure anything while ignoring actual science are the ones with their head in the sand.
Yes: ‘Evolution’. JFK’s ‘Lone Gunman’, And The Rumor Of Your Intelligence. Blocked.
Oh no! You BLOCKED someone? How bigly of you.
Thanks For Volunteering: Blocked.
The body of evidence is breathtaking..taking supplements , eating organic food and avoiding Big Pharma poison and cancer- feeding sugar is how to be and stay healthy …
Lol organic doesn’t mean anything. It just means they source their pesticides and fertilizers from specific sources, not that they’re safe. In fact, organic pesticides are often more mutagenic than traditional ones. Taking supplements? Sorry, there is no evidence, but you’re more than welcome to post all the double blind, properly conducted studies you can find.
Definitely eat less sugar though. That’s the most sage advice in your comment.
Yes!
Yours!
BLOCKED for being part of the problem!
Blocked for being a snake oil salesman who deserves the harms they’re inflicting on others to come back on them. You don’t deserve to live with the dishonesty you’ve pushed in this thread.
What are you hip young kids saying these days? BLOCKED
It’s not conspiracy. Simple profit strategies. Americans are so gullible we believed it. Thank God, Canadians seem considerably smarter.
Thank God Canadians aren’t ego-centric!
Just kidding!
Of course YOU are.
There is plenty of stupidity to go around for all the countries of the world.
No, most Canadians are sane and don’t believe in the effectiveness of snake oil.
If pointing out incongruities and stating facts equal a conspiracy theory, then yes, I have many more. You would serve yourself and your argument better by positing some facts that prove me wrong. I’m all ears.
Those of us that live it understand the truth.
the researchers must be extremely low in Iodine and have suffered a dip in IQ as a result.
Folic Acid is very bad to take for much of the population, who should only take Folate.
Many suffer through the winter from Vitamin D deficiency. A friend of mine ended up in the hospital from such a simple deficiency. Supplementation during the winter months would easily remedy.
Selenium is essential to help reduce reverse T3 problems associated with thyroid problems.
Iodine is the necessary building block for every single thyroid hormone, which effects every single cell in the body. Western soils have been largely depleted of Iodine. Consider that with the fact that we need more Iodine than our ancestors due to the increase in toxic halogens and heavy metals in our environment and diets.
The list goes on and on for those of us who know.
I am hypo thyroid and not one doctor could diagnose me. Finally, a holistic nurse prescribed iodine for me and outside making my teeth look like I was a meth head, it didn’t do anything for me. I finally found a doctor who could read a blood test and got me thyroid medicine. It only took twelve years and lots of money. In most countries outside developed ones, that is, thyroid medicine is an over the counter medicine and common usage.
I am taking Levothyroxine for my thyroid hormone deficiency and it has helped a lot.
I take Armor Thyroid and have for years. Sad that doctors almost let me die and didn’t have a clue what was wrong. And that was just the thyroid specialist. A daughter of a research doctor finally found it.
The key is in us studying the correct info, trying vits, mins supps 1 or more to address specific items. We will know if good things occur whereas if we did no take them.
Example: My Dr gave me blood pressure pills. Brought BP down to a level and stayed there, not good enough. Raw Garlic crushed, let to sit in a loose clump for 5 mins, produces ‘allicin’.
Cooked garlic is good, but, will ruin allicin. Allicin: reduced my BP all the way to normal. 1 clove per day, about size of your thumb. For some 1 every 2 days is enough. Also, reduces LBL (bad chol), increases HD (good chol), thins the blood better than an aspirin to open capillaries, push fluids out like dietetics, brought my diastolic BP to 80 (2nd #) (if you have nose bleeds, take less or decide if you can stop), and allicin does other naturally good things for you. All grocery stores have garlic. I use bib bulb garlic.
! Don’t heat garlic like and apple. Crush raw, pile in a clump, sit 5 mins, mix w pea nut butter, honey, swallow crushed with water or juice. Trying to chew painfully hot, will stick in your throat if chewed poorly and swallowed!! Best not to try it. Mi with something else.
These vegetables work better than water pills: tomato, cucumber, raw carrots, celery, bell peppers. Good for swollen body parts, salt retention, opens capillaries, moves water to kidneys.
You are awesome! Thanks!
Thanks for your time spelling all that out so well.
I learned couple things to try for high BP, but I already got mine under control with other substances.
Knowledge is something that keeps giving ????
Russell Blaylock, MD in his excellent book,HEALTH AND NUTRITION SECRETS, recommends taking Aged Garlic capsules for high BP. It’s easy and odorless.
Iodine can be easily obtained in table salt. No need to get it out of the soil. Do you know about iodized salt my friend? It’s not new, been around since the early 1900’s at least.
But table salt is usually not sold with the Iodine added any more.
You have to seek out the salt with Iodine and too much salt is not good for you, anyway.
Luden’s or another brand of nascent Iodine is simpler.
I respectfully disagree with your assertion. It is very common. In the USA at least, it’s very easy to buy. Go to any supermarket and check the labels. You will find that iodized salt is cheap and readily available to all.
Too much salt is only an issue for some subset of the population that is sensitive to it. Most people don’t have any issues with salt, but knowing that requires reading actual scientific studies which seem to be the exact opposite of what people in this thread do.
And iodized salt is all over the place. You don’t have to “seek it out” anymore than looking next to the non-iodized salt in the supermarket.
J.Crow’s Lugol’s is reliably harvested from deep underground and far cheaper than nascent.
Lugol’s is used in high doses to kill cancer.
Nascent?
Not so much.
There is only enough iodine in table salt to prevent goiter.
That is the extent of your knowledge of iodine.
Okinawians average 3.5 to over 50 mg. of iodine a day and live the longest without heart disease or cancer.
Do some research before you continue to make a fool of yourself and give bs information to others that know even less that you do.
BLOCKED because I don’t need a conversation about uneducated opinions.
Okinawans probably eat mostly seafood, which is typically high in iodine.
Nothing I said was wrong. Iodized salt is a great way to not be deficient in iodine, that and seafood. Your opinion about the extent of my knowledge being lacking means nothing to me. Genetics, and diet, among other things impact aging and resistance to disease/disorders .
You should learn some manners and be more civil.
http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/
And we aren’t scratching ourselves in our mother’s basement either. Good comment!
This thread is full of people who just outright believe random internet comments and take them as truth. You’re certainly scratching yourself in someone’s basement.
How many of “those that know” are there ?
Folate is a general category that includes folic acid you moron, and there’s a reason we sell iodized salt.
They actually know they’re lying. They want your brain to function at lower levels so it’s easier for them to sell you antidepressants and antipsychotics.
If you keep tightening your tinfoil hat, your brain will function even better!
Oh hell yes they do all that!
They should be in prison for the rest of their lives.
Exactly, try getting 100% of Daily Values for all vitamins, minerals in 5 days. Can’t be done. If someone tries to compensate by eating more, their likely going to intake too much of something harmful when over-eating it (bad fat, too much sugar, overdose of salt).
I take a multi and B-complex every two or three days to help supplement what I’m missing. I know it helps me.
It’s pretty easy actually, though to be fair, I started with a spreadsheet in order to track nutrient levels versus calories and food weight to get the right balance of food, but the food itself is straightforward, things like broccoli, squash, chicken, etc.
This is a phony study from the get-go. And, there is a vast difference in the excellent and bad vitamins, minerals and trace elements, combined with the fact so many of them work synergistically with other vitamins, minerals and trace elements. . A majority of the vitamins sold in stores are junk. The vast majority of magnesium sold in stores is magnesium oxide, which is a great laxative, but it has no nutritional value at all. The same thing for most Vitamin E sold in stores. And nobody’s going to tell me supplementing with good iodine and magnesium, just two elements, won’t help people’s health. Supplementing with iodine increases IQ by up to 10 points and that was been proven more than 65 years ago! This is a trolling article full of baloney and intended for the ignorant masses, sheeple. They didn’t mention the benefits of bioflavonoids either. Crap in, crap out is the old saying for studies like this.
Supplementing with iodine only increases IQ if you’re deficient to begin with. The trick to not be deficient is to eat seafood, which is rich in iodine. No supplementation needed.
And the problem for the average American is they are woefully deficient in Vitamans D & C, iodine and magnesium. And that’s to name only a few things they are deficient in. I’ll add to the list the mineral selenium. Combined with the fact that multiple studies have proven fluoride reduces IQ by 8-10 points, and everybody is getting an overdose of fluoride in water, tooth paste especially, and mouth wash.
Couldn’t agree more with the Judge, the statement that you don’t need nutritional supplements if you’re getting all the nutrition you need from your diet is a tautology. Well, no kidding you don’t need nutritional supplements if you don’t need nutritional supplements. It’s the same as saying if you have good eyesight you don’t need glasses.
Excuse me but aren’t vitamins and supplements supposed to make up for the “modern diet” that is “severely lacking?” I’ve heard for decades the argument against vitamins & supplements is that our body does not absorb them, at least not as well, as the foods that naturally contain them. I also have no idea what nootropic supplementation is so you are more of an authority on this than I am. But, I strongly suspect that good health is tied to eating a balanced diet alot more than taking vitamins and supplements. Eat well, get some exercise, avoid excessive alcohol and don’t smoke seem to be the enduring wisdom to better health. Right?
You CAN NOT GET ADEQUATE VITAMIN D, SELENIUM, IODINE OR MAGNESIUM FROM FOOD ALONE.
CHECK THAT OUT!
Please don’t use shouty caps. I’ve been trying to be nice about this. If, however, our bodies do not absorb the vitamins & mineral supplements then taking them won’t fill this deficit. I will look into these claims. I do take “Natural Calm” to help me sleep and it’s got magnesium in it. So, I’m not 100% against these things but I suspect real health comes down to the basics described above. Peace out, and let’s keep searching for the truth!
Sorry.
Not shouting or being pushy, just wanted you to seriously look into this for your own health.
We only need all of the basic nutrition to stay healthy, not “sour honey” or herbal supplements unless we have a disease from nutritional deficits where they can be helpful.
Supplementing with Lugol’s iodine made thyroid hormone, probiotics, energy supplement and cognitive supplements unnecessary.
That saved us over $120 a month.
So….
There aren’t much in the way of benefit of vitamins unless you actually have a deficiency as measured through a blood test, not some specious statement concerning lacking micronutrients in the “modern diet” (which is mostly nonsense). Please stop spreading nonsense, because you sound like a shill.
Dr once said we pee out more Vitamins in a day than Africa gets in a year.
Which means NOTHING!
Doctors can’t tell you anything about natural cures because of their CONtracts with providers.
Ask your doctors about that.
From a chart in the 90’s: Required Number of School Hours on Nutrition for a degree:
M.D. 40 hours
Chiropractor 400 hours
It does mean that we are getting too many vitamins.
Great, better than getting starvation & wasting diseases like their beloved tird world.
Wait, if vitamins are worthless, why are scientists creating Golden Rice with Vitamin A to prevent blindness in poor countries?
Ah, multi-vitamins include the vitamins they’ve said do help. So, they’ve proved their conclusion of other people’s work to be inaccurate.
Next week a study will come out saying vitamins is the cure for cancer.
Selenium, vitamin D, no sugar or simple carbohydrates and iodine is the cure for all cancers.
Read: PMC 4998524 by doing a search and get back to reality of criminal duplicity by big pharma.
Lugol’s is amazing stuff..
Yes it is ????
After getting rid of stage 4 cancers that the victims had left the oncologists to go home ad and die when I got them, I would agree with you.
Also, fibromyalgia, Lupus, Hep C, ADHD, Melanoma, NSCL cancer etc. ????
I only use doctors for diagnosis and lab work.
I am 70.
Everyone drops their jaws when I tell them my abe.
I say I am 35 for the second time in my life.
I strongly suggest people get lab work for thyroid antibodies TPO and antithyroglobulin antibodies before starting iodine replacement therapy to rule out Hashimoto’s being undiagnosed, since iodine in high doses can complicate the problem at high dose.
High doses of Vitamin C actually do.
Yes .. intravenous fed high doses of C can cure cancer – but Big Pharma can’t patent it and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars for it … so of course they got it outlawed …. there are clinics in Mexico who offer it …here in the US they want shoot you full of chemicals that they know destroy you ..,.
My best friend had a highly aggressive form of cancer at 27. She had a mastectomy & treated with high doses of IV C. They said 85% return w/in 5yrs WITH chemo/radiation. 8 yrs later, she is still all clear
Bypass The Stomach, And Allow Absorption Through The Intestines.
‘Digestion’ Destroys, And Limits, The Amount Available To The Body.
My mother – 88 years old – and her almost as old family doctor prescribes for her Vitamin D and sodium bicarbonates each and every day ….
Now my niece being treated for cancer at Duke is being prescribed high doses if D and C, and No Sugar …. it’s the sugar that feeds and grows cancer …. that’s why they put sugar in everything and our government subsidizes the sugar industry to do it … GMO foods and sugar are shortening our life span by design … and it keeps the Medical Industrial Complex and Big Pharma rich treating cancer and diabetes –
Correct.
Intravenous Infusion Of Large-Dose, Encapsulated Vitamin C Is Exactly That.
No, because the vitamin industry doesn’t pay to put out falsified research. Only pharma does that.
RE: Heh
Wouldn’t it be nice if articles like this gave attribution to who funded this research?
my thought exactly
I’ll Alert The Media.
RE: The Media?
Forget those tools. Alert your friends and family….. 😉
Great news – I was worried it would land in the wrong hands
lulz
Do you think the “Health Supplement Industry” financed it? Who benefits financially from the results of this study? As far as I can see, only you and I benefit by no longer throwing money after these ineffective supplements.
You’re a good example of low Iodine intake and the resulting low IQ.
RE: Low IQ?
Funny. Are you a member of Mensa? I am. Used to be the LocSec, i.e., Chair, of a major metropolitan chapter, before I moved to a smaller community and my blood pressure dropped on average by 10 points.
He wasn’t replying to you ????
Yes he was
I know that. But I ‘jumped’ him anyway, as it was my sub-thread.
Oh yea. Me too. I think there’s a whole bunch of us using that claim to seem more credible in comments sections.
RE: Really?
Not that I’ve seen.
But why, as it is written….
….Hide your lamp under a bushel?
On the one hand, it’s not my problem if people are ashamed of themselves.
On the other hand, it’s something I learned at the Army’s Command and General Staff College back in the 80s. You let your audience know about yourself, so they can better understand where you’re coming from.
On third hand, it helps deal with people who claim I have a ‘low IQ’ or are ‘mentally handicapped’.
Personally, I think their jealousy doesn’t look good on them…. ????
Chuck, iodine modulates high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and many, many others essential bodily processes.
Look into it for your own sake and your loved ones ☺
Blood pressure and cholesterol are not my issues. But I’ll look into the ‘many, many others’…..
The “Health Supplement Industry” is restrained by the FDA; they have NO power and are forbidden from making any health claims for their products. This was done by Big Pharma, who have a huge interest in discrediting all supplements.
One example: it is a known scientific fact that colloidal silver is effective in curing viral, fungal, bacterial infections, even deadly diseases. But Big Pharma can’t make money since colloidal silver can’t be patented, so makers of colloidal silver products are forbidden to make any health claims because each product must conduct a multi-BILLION-dollar study to prove it to the FDA, even though such studies and experiments were conducted back in the 1800’s that prove its efficacy.
From my own experience, I use a generator that makes colloidal silver by producing silver ions, and after patiently soaking a cold sore on my lip (caused by the herpes virus) whenever it appeared in the “silver water,” I no longer get cold sores. It’s been years since I’ve had one.
Knowledgeable people know that silver is a broadband antibiotic because you see silver used in water treatment plants, water filters, bandaids and clothes washers. They all tout their products’ “germicidal” properties, but makers of colloidal silver supplements can’t.
An uncle had a broken leg that would not heal, even after many courses of antibiotics. The doctor put silver electrodes on either side of and directly in the wound, and put a battery across the electrodes. This started an electrolytic process using his body fluids as the electrolyte, which contained silver ions and healed the wound. That battery and electrodes are also the basic components of my colloidal silver generator, although I use distilled water for the electrolyte.
I can certainly vouch for the effectiveness of the supplements I use; what you should think about is how Big Pharma benefits if supplements aren’t available anymore.
Be careful not to take too much silver. I’ve heard about the Blue Skinned people. In some cases, the blue tinge to the skin is permanent, even after stopping all silver intake.
Turning blue is called argyria and is an overblown hazard. If the silver particles are very small, there is no risk as it is excreted from the body. Only larger silver particles from silver colloid can lodge in skin cells, causing argyria. A famous “Blue Man” admitted taking QUARTS per day, and it was large-particle colloidal silver at that. I swish, gargle and swallow just one mouthful per day of very-small-particle colloid silver as a preventive. Four years ago I had the flu and a cold sore broke out, and I used 2-3 cups per day to get rid of the flu and the herpes outbreak. I haven’t been sick nor have I had a cold sore since then. Nor am I “blue.” The stuff really works!
There are NO side effects of colloidal silver when used at the above dose, and even at “Blue Man” dosages, turning blue is all it does to you; you are otherwise perfectly healthy. Compare that with the long lists of deadly and crippling side effects of every prescription drug that Big Pharma sells on the market today.
By the way, if you go to WebMD or other traditional medicine sites, they tout examples of argyria due to overdoses as being a “normal” side effect. They don’t tell you that a normal dose of a swallow per day give no bad side effects. It’s like claiming aspirin is deadly and will kill anyone who uses it because 100 aspirins per day for a year will kill you by causing you to bleed to death. They also give a long shopping list of other side effects that “may” occur–except they are lying; no one has done ANY current study on the effects of colloidal silver, and they don’t offer even experimental evidence that any such side effects can occur.
https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/news/20080905/colloidal-silver-faq#1
Compare webmd with the actual history of silver’s medicinal use:
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/history-silver.html
lugol’s iodine kills everything silver kills, BUT iodine is essential for thyroid hormones.
Silver is not necessary for good health.
Iodine is MANDATORY for existence and good health.
Huge difference ☺
Silver does NOT make thyroid hormone and you don’t need both to kill all pathogens, but you do need iodine everyday for good health.
The cost of creating colloidal silver is fractions of a penny per quart; the cost of Lugols iodine is thousands of times more expensive. If you are low in iodine, that’s one thing, but with all other things being the same, I’ll continue making my own silver water.
Big Pharma Troll^^^^^^^^
Read the last para.
“The full study was published in the June 5, 2018 edition of the Journal of the American College of Cardiology. It was funded by the Canada Research Chair Endorsement, Loblaw Cos. Ltd., and the Canadian Institutes for Health Research.”
Got it. Thanks….
This should tell you all you want to know. lol
“The full study was published in the June 5, 2018 edition of the Journal of the American College of Cardiology. It was funded by the Canada Research Chair Endorsement, Loblaw Cos. Ltd., and the Canadian Institutes for Health Research.”
http://www.loblaw.ca/en.html
Thanks…..
RE: Loblaw Cos., Ltd
As I suspected. Big Pharma. The blood-enemies of the health food movement.
Healthy people mean fewer drugs being sold.
But, the articles conclusive statement compared D and C to heart issues not the substances most associated to heart issues. Don’t you find that odd? That foolish inaccurate misaligned statement is the whole bases for their conclusion! It make a stupid comparison D, C to heart problems, tries to patch that up by stating “multivitamins” which we know includes D, C, stating redundant proof. If that’s how read objective science works, then we are in big trouble from all then lies.
More to the point, they totally ignore any synergistic effect; certain supplements, when taken together, have a far better outcome than a single item by itself.
And what about the positive effects of multivitamins on people with poor eating habits? Why don’t they go out and find people with poor eating habits and check their health, then put them on vitamins and see if their health improves?
Another issue is the quality of the supplement. I took the cheapest curcumin, an anti-inflammatory, that I could find at Walmart, and it didn’t help me at all. I ordered a much more expensive brand, and it helped tremendously with joint pain and other arthritis symptoms. This study apparently only considered quantities, not qualities of supplements.
On top of which, this article does not restrict the findings to the actual health issues being investigated. For instance, there is good scientific evidence that taking large quantities of vitamin C can eliminate or reduce the severity of gout. After I investigated, I liked the evidence and started taking 1500 mg of C daily. Haven’t had a gout attack since (going on two years now), and I usually had 6-8 per year. The Canadian study didn’t address gout. But the headline says “No Health Benefits.” Over-reach.
I’ve been on 300 mg of Allopurinal a day since 2003 and haven’t had another gout attack since. It’s also dirt cheap. A 90 day supply is around $20. You need a prescription to get it.
Thanks. You’re lucky you could tolerate it. It’s a kind of scary drug. Serious side effects:
Fever, sore throat, and headache with a severe blistering, peeling and red skin rash.
Any sign of skin rash, no matter how mild.
Nausea, upper stomach pain, itching, loss of appetite, weight loss, dark urine, clay-colored stools, jaundice.
Pain or bleeding when urinating.
I went on an allopurinol regimen many years ago, and it precipitated asthma in me, so I had to stop it. I figured this out when I want on a business trip and forgot to pack the allopurinol, and my asthma disappeared! It’s a known, but quite rare side-effect. I had to show my doc the medical information, he said it couldn’t have happened!
Lesson: if you are technically capable, do some research yourself. Medical journals, not web sites – although some, like Mayo and Cleveland Clinic, I trust. But there is so much “fake” medical information out there on the internet.
I guess I am lucky. I’ve never had any side effects at all from it.
That’s great. Based on my 50+ years in pharma research, this is a nasty drug, it could turn on you at any time. Best to be aware of the warning signs, so if it goes south, you’re aware of what’s happening to you.
I wish you continued good luck with it. Humans are incredibly diverse biochemical creatures, and you apparently have the right combination of genes to make this drug work without any problems. But things change as you get older. Listen to your body.
I was on statins for 25+ years, then suddenly, as I aged, they brought on epic muscle weakness, cramps, and aches. Fortunately, cessation brought about reversal of these issues. You have to be aware of what your body is telling you. If you suddenly “age” thirty years, or develop some new malady, be suspicious! No doctor knows more about what you’re feeling than you do.
Thanks for the advice!
Thanks for letting everyone know your experience with pharmaceuticals!
I was lucky. My best friend’s daughter works @ Ortho Molecular Products, a highly regarded lab for supplements. At the end of every month, all the employees get a bunch of free supplements. I was given over $1500 in supplements for free by her daughter. Look them up on Amazon. They are very expensive, but they work great.
I agree. Anything natural that works that keep people healthy, takes money out of the pockets of these pharmaceutical company fraudsters. The FDA (Fraud and Deception Association) accepts these bogus studies that are developed and directed by these I agree. Anything natural that works that keep people healthy, takes money out of the pockets of these pharmaceutical company fraudsters. The FDA (Fraud and Deception Association) accepts these bogus studies that are developed and directed by these Eugenics (human eradication) pharmaceutical companies. The AMA (American Malpractice Association) and the under trained Medical doctors get a cut of the 100+ billion dollar a year vaccine and pharmaceutical industry… (human eradication) pharmaceutical companies. The AMA (American Malpractice Association) and the under trained Medical doctors get a cut of the 100+ billion dollar a year vaccine and pharmaceutical industry…
To the posting monitor; Leave my posts unfettered. This is America, NOT the UK…
Lol you’re like a middle schooler making up cute nicknames.
What’s it like being such a weak minded, gullible fool? Anything natural that works to line the pockets of the people selling you snake oil. The fact that you criticize pharma while not realizing the massive size of the supplement industry is hilarious.
You just proved my point. Oh, I’m not sorry about Hillary’s loss. (All of the cheating, killing and help from the CIA, NSA and FBI… GFY!
Even nicer if this study had been peer-reviewed; since it wasn’t, I assume they can’t stand up to the scrutiny, and instead hope to get funding for more Fake News.
Yep, unfortunately 75% of the public believes the garbage in this article. Big Pharma keeps them drugged up and brain damaged.
Mostly liberals in America fit that description ☺
The AMA & FDA would be a good guess.
RE: As It Turns Out….
It IS Big Pharma. But it’s the Canadian Medical Association.
Interesting. I take many of these supplements and recently asked my doctor if they were of any use. He told me to keep taking them. That they were helpful and had a beneficial impact.
Probably because they’re not directly harmful, so there’s nothing to hurt you in taking them. They’re certainly not helping unless you’re explicitly deficient as measured through blood tests.
Stick with him!
These studies never include food sourced vitamin supplements. It’s always synthetic, and I’ve said for years synthetic is worthless.
Anyway, my own health and physical fitness is stellar, but without food sourced vitamins, my diet is not sufficient to fully fuel by body. I hate healthy foods, and nutrition is 80% is the equation for health and wellness.
Do yourself a favor, and research food sourced vitamins.
The allopathics will have a hard time arguing against taking supplements that are simply concentrated food.
Synthetic vitamins/drugstore, don’t break down and there is zero absorption by your body.
I buy all my vitamins online from Swanson vitamins, have since 1999, all natural, good brands and their own excellent house brand. And no, I don’t work for Swanson. LOL
https://www.swansonvitamins.com/
“It has been reported…” “Study finds…” This is great journalism. This should be a case study for journalism school….
…in how NOT to do a bowel movement and publish it!
Just the usual fake “ news” to mislead you and harm you …take your vitamins – but take them in separate form not a multi – and take them at much higher doses than recommended …eat organic and avoid Big Pharma poison pills and tainted vaccines .
have to admit yea a multivitamin does give little to no effect. you need to take a pill of each vitamin daily. the multivitamin just does not have enough of the vital nutrients we need as people to get the job done.
A good multi has enough selenium and some other nutrients but you are correct as far as vitamin D and C go.
I feel noticeably better when I take vitamins. I start feeling crummy a few days after I run out.
Well, I don’t take vitamin C to try to live longer. I take C to help keep my gums healthy, and I assume there is a reason they give high doses of C to burn victims. It’s interesting to see that folic acid and B vitamins may have a beneficial effect. Also, why no information on the effect of taking omega 3 fatty acid supplements. I’ve been taking krill oil for a few years now. Also, you don’t take vitamin D in order to live longer. You take D because it has somewhat of a hormone effect and can lead to a greater sense of well being. A huge portion of the north American population is said to be vitamin D deficient.
Notice Indigenous People who eat mostly blubber from animals loaded with Omegas via the Oceanic food chain don’t have heart issues. So high fat isn’t bad, some kinds of fat is.
They also have no cancer …fat is good for you
Vit D also helps the body to absorb calcium.
Get a book, it’s in paperback now, called Dr Mindell’s Vitamin bible. He explains everything in layman’s language.
https://www.earlmindellsnewvitaminbible.com/
The testers either work for pharmaceutical companies or are incompetent analysts.
Vitamin D,in the proper dose, prevents respiratory infections, like the flu.
That is scientific FACT.
Selenium prevents aneurysms and autoimmune disease.
Just search, “selenium p53 PubMed” and you will find evidence that selenium prevents autoimmune disease and cancers.
This study (lmao!) has no basis in fact.
If you don’t get sick, doctors make no money!
Wise up!
Fortunately I have a GP who believes in vitamins. They’re hard to find but they’re out there.
I found one – she was awesome – but sadly now retired … she insisted on vitamin supplements – high quality – individual vitamins … and she didn’t prescribe antibiotics for colds and flu either – not like these third rate doctors today – doctors who don’t want to even touch you or examine you – all they want to do is whip out the prescription pad and earn those Big Pharma incentives ..,
Or order lots of expensive, invasive and dangerous tests, including CT scans, mammograms, colonoscopies, MRIs. Gotta keep the machines in service and rake in the $$$.
Dawn. Unfortunately, this not what is actually happening. Yes, there is some defensive medicine going on, but much less than it the past – protecting from malpractice claims. Contrary to wide-spread belief, the hospitals are all losing money. Most services lose money. Cardio and ortho fund the lot. You are not going to get the full work up anymore if you are just some government or indigent reimbursement. It doesn’t cover the actual cost anymore. That’s how government lowers health cost. It makes it go away – no care. Sorry but you view no longer exists. No one on Medicare, Medicaid or indigent gets all those test. No time or money for that. That is the reality. And the public still thinks that the doctors are lining their pockets ordering tests. It is not true and only serves to perpetuate a polical agenda.
I beg to differ. In the first instance, it is not cardio and ortho that “fund the lot” but rather cancer screening, radiation and chemo treatments. In the second instance, I am a Medicare insured who rarely, if ever sees an MD (5 visits in 48 years) but on Christmas Day 2017 I went to hospital emergency for pain meds for diverticulitis. EKG, Blood panel, CT. Diverticulitis confirmed. At a one week follow up Dr wanted me to undergo an MRI, which I declined. She then wanted three additional blood tests looking for reproductive, pancreatic or other cancer, to which I agreed. All negative. She then continued to insist on MRI which I continued to decline. She then wanted me to undergo a mental health assessment due to my declination of MRI! Next she wanted a mammogram and colonoscopy which I also declined. Desperate to find a treatable cancer or other disease despite lack of symptoms and desperate to use every available piece of equipment to find it, all billed to insurance company except for copay. She kept reinforcing that I didn’t have to pay because the insurance would pay. Excuse me, but someone is paying for this. There is a reason why American insurance premiums are sky high and people are very unhealthy. I don’t choose to participate in the scam.
Nutrition has been flooded with bad info since I can remember reading a lot about it 1972, maybe earlier. Too much disinformation, opinions of those who are not scientists.
I was chronic bronchitis for years. Was taking Zpaks 3x per month. I bothered my ENT, who was NEVER sick and was always in the office mingling face to face with some very sick people. He opened up and said, “I don’t take antibiotics. When I an feeling sick w/ a cold, I take 2x 100mg C and 2x 60mg Zinc to boost immune system. (kids must not take this much, lower for them).
From that day, Feb 14, 2001 – I have not taken any antibiotics since. It takes some time, all that hard coughing, no rest. But, at least I’m not contributing to bacteria breeding new strains which happens when people take too much too frequently.
Vitamin C doesn’t affect colds, but zinc does. And it doesn’t affect the immune system itself, but rather sits on the same cellular receptor sites that the cold virus uses in order to modify cells to produce more viruses. When the virus can’t attach to cells because the zinc is in its place, it sits in the blood and is more easily taken care of by your immune response while at the same time unable to reproduce.
The more you know!
Funny you should use the word “believes.”
Interpret that as “read the research available on PubMed instead of being spoonfed what to believe by Big Pharma”
‘Encapsulated Vitamin C’, Also, Is Quite Effective In Raising One’s Immunity.
Exactly. THey were looking at a very narrow range of impact. Also, would you trust government to tell you how well government works? Of course not, so why trust the medical industry to tell you supplements don’t work.
Exactly … we are all waiting for the criminal FBI and DOJ to investigate themselves …government is one big scam … same as Big Pharma …,
I detected knuckleheads instead of scientists, too.
Doctors don’t need anyone to get sick. Doctors have too many patients as it is. There is a shortage of doctors – 90,000. Treatment is reserved for those that can pay. Others are doped up and sent home. Surgeons don’t have time or the desire to operate when they aren’t going to get paid for it. I bet you don’t like to work for free, or would feel very charitable while working 60-80 hours a week. Vitamins and supplements are the biggest scam ever, not Big Pharma. Take something that is made for pennies, sell it for dollars, and by it’s very chemical structure can’t be absorbed by your body – you just pee it out! Brilliant! And the supplement industry even gets groupies like you to believe the nonsense. The differences between correlation and causation are not understood by the general public or journalists. This has led to reports of “this helps this or that or…” It’s all bunk. It is you who have been duped. Those vitamin purveyors fund quite a bit of “research” too. But they are very careful with the claims of their products – they know they are inert. The drug companies, on the other hand, do make claims of their products, backed by years of testing, trials and approvals by the FDA. That’s why supplements, lotions and oils are great vehicles for multi-level marketing schemes. The company leaves it to their “associates” to make the wild claims, knowing the FTC will not bother with all those sales people. Selenium does no such thing. Health is genetic. Why does the doctor ask you about your family health history? Because it is paramount. selenium, indeed! From this board, I see that almost no one had an accurate understanding of the medical industry. Just pissed it is expensive! Doctors do not get paid by the Pharm companies!!!! They can’t even take a doctor to lunch or bring him a candy bar. Against the law!!!! You people are really ignorant. Good Luck buying those expensive vitamins – you are being had!
What a farce — years of testing, trials and approvals by the FDA! You sir need to take the red pill and wake up to world around you. How many judgments have been granted against Pharma? How many drug recalls have their been? By the way, the red pill is CoQ10 which is recommended by physicians to be taking along with any statin to protect your heart. Hmmmmm, why is that? Because it works!
Yes, years of testing, trials and approvals by the FDA!!! And 4 out of 5 dentists recommend Crest! Try that next time you need a root canal! Just Crest. You have a right to piss your vitamins and supplements into the waste water system just like anyone else. Don’t expect your body to care. You sir, need to get out of the nineteenth century.
My body loves them and I have the research, including blood tests to back it up. But you go on to your life of non-optimal health and most likely an early death.
But he can’t be a man ‘cause he doesn’t smoke the same cigarettes as me. Wrong vitamins – early death for you.
Hope you don’t outlive your money.
Drugs get rejected all the time. Anyone who has ever done any type of pharmaceutical stock investments knows this. It’s public record too. You could just look it up yourself, but I have a feeling you’d rather remain ignorant to push your own biased agenda.
Your reading comprehension is really sad. Try reading my statement again and read it slowly. Now, perhaps you can point out where I said drugs do not get rejected? Oh that’s right you can’t. Ignoramus.
I can’t fix your irrational thinking without supplements, so your goose is cooked (by you)!
Finally, an intelligent voice here. Prepare for an onslaught of screeching self-proclaimed expert internet doctors/nutritionists now.
Can’t fix you, since you have all the answers and won’t cure your deficiencies.
You sure sound like a pharmaceutical shill.
I go by PubMed research. You should try that sometime!
Iodine cures cancer.
Don’t agree?
How about evidence?
Search for PMC4998524.
That study proves you know nothing of what you speak.
Oh. Doctors get kick-backs for certain drugs they prescribe.
Oncologists get paid for giving chemo drugs to patients.
BLOCKED for being offensive AND ignorant.
You should try blocking yourself. You have enough ignorance for everyone here. BLOCKED
Sort of.
Vitamin D deficiency can lead to an increase in respiratory infections. That’s different than saying vitamin D prevents respiratory infections. If you’re deficient as indicated by a blood test, you should take supplements. If you’re not deficient, then taking more vitamin D isn’t going to prevent anything above and beyond that baseline.
The same is true of selenium and virtually anything else that vitamins supposedly cure. They don’t cure these things, but when you become deficient in them, normal cellular / organ processes stop which causes these things.
Funded by the drug companies. How much? How long? What metrics?
This company funded it: http://www.loblaw.ca/en.html
Meta- Analyses? Means they didn’t do any study they just evaluated a bunch of other studies.
My doc prescribed vitamin B.
The problem with a study like this is that it leads readers to believe that vitamins and supplements are useless except in limited medical areas; in this case cardio vascular and stroke. Potential benefits in other medical areas and undefinable physical well being are not considered. Take folic acid: years ago a government study found that the benefits for pregnant women related to spina bifida in babies were so great that the study was stopped midstream. Folic acid is now used as a supplement in flour for most baked goods. This study never considers any effect, long or short range, on the other organs in the body, brain, thyroid, stomach, pancreas, liver, kidneys, etc., aches and pains, mental well being, disease prevention, etc. It also will lead some to believe that any supplement is useless; is baby aspirin useless in preventing heart problems and stroke? Certain working conditions also change the requirements for supplements. Postmen, farmers, or steelworkers, who sweat profusely during the day, will require something to keep his/her body chemistry balanced.
Probably true dime store brand vitamins are garbage. Think the Drug, Cut, Burn, Poison & Radiate Sick Care Biz or Big Pharma will dare test advanced (only 20-30year old tech) Food Form or Food Source Supplements instead of the petro-chem crud they give you in the filthy hospitals?
Hospitals that serve you white bread and margarine… eewww… no wonder life expectancy in America is contracting … Big Pharma poison … Rockefeller Medical Industrial Complex motto of feed the peasants whatever drug that Big Pharma is paying incentives to prescribe …. statins and antidepressants for everyone !!!! whoohoo!!!
I think that taking the cheapest multi-vitamin is probably better than taking nothing. This study comes out every few years to convince the people to let the professionals take care of their health. It is much more profitable that way.
That information has been around for decades. First time I heard it was on Dr. Dean Edell’s radio show where he told a listener in the early ’80s that his parents owned the business that manufactured most of America’s vitamin pills and that business financed his college and medical schooling. He went on to say that vitamins, the product his family knew lots about, did absolutely nothing to help you.
With that said, I do take B9, folic acid in conjunction with methotrexate to prevent mouth ulcers caused by the methotrexate. If I forget to take it or run out for a few days I start to get two to five cankersores growing in my mouth. So while I don’t take vitamins and minerals per se I do take B9.
This is a lie! 3 year’s ago I started supplementing and I have never gotten sick again, obviously something was missing in my body. I take 90 for life multivitamin, pure selenium and pure iodine in small dosages ( very small dosages) every other day to let the body absorbe it. If these people tell you that fruits don’t contain vitamins, would you stop eating them just because they told you? This is crazy! To each there own I guess.
I have MS – stopped taking 13 scrips that left me feeling like ish and switched to an extreme version of Paleo – within 3 weeks, my joint pain and sleeping issues went away. 8 yrs later, still haven’t taken so much as an Advil (despite backpacking 33 miles in a weekend)
One thing I have still struggled with is fatique. So I have added a variety of different supplements over the year. After my own research, ran each one by a more open-minded pharmacist bc my physician acknowledged knowing nothing about nutrition.
I decided to participate in a research studyy for fatigue and I had to stop all supplements for 3 months – I started feeling pretty crwppy about 2 months in. I was discharged from the study bc my inflammation has drastically increased based on labs. I started my supplements again and the study docs asked me to come back for labs 90 days later and my inflammation was back in chec and felt back to my normal baseline.
Labs don’t lie.